What is the difference between The Book of Mormon and King James Bible? Are they one in the same? Mormons claim they are Christian however; when I ask my friend direct questions he seems like he cannot defend his own Religion. I have friends and family that are Mormons and I respect your religion however; when I make opinions about their Bible and the Christian Bible the difference between the two, my friend became angry and said I didn't know what I was talking about. It seems as though he was embarrassed to admit parts of his bible that seem "odd" and "weird" to me.
Please see this website
http://carm.org/comparison-between-chris…
http://carm.org/is-mormonism-christian
http://carm.org/is-mormonism-cult
I had forwarded this website to my friend about the difference between Christianity and the Book of Mormon. He couldn't sit down with his bible and explain other than to get angry with me. He said that he read the Book of James that he claimed was Christian. I am confused....How is the Book of Mormon also be the Book of James in their belief.?
These are Mormon beliefs
The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter Day Saints, known as the Mormons, teaches that God the father used to be a man on another planet, that he became a God by following the laws and ordinances of that God on that planet and came to this world with his wife (she became a goddess), and that they produce a spirit offspring in heaven. These spirit offspring, which includes Jesus, the devil, and you and me, are all brothers and sisters born in the preexistence. The preexistence spirits come down and inhabit babies at the time of birth and their memories of the preexistence are lost at the time. Furthermore, faithful Mormons, who pay a full 10% tithe of their income to the Mormon church through Mormon temples, have the potential of becoming gods of their own planets and are then able to start the procedure over again.
Is it Christian? No.
If you were to go to any Christian bookstore and look in the non-Christian cult section you will see numerous books on Mormonism that document Mormon beliefs as aberrant and un-Biblical. The Mormon Church is not considered a Christian church.
This is not simply an opinion that they are false; it is a fact that they teach abberant and unchristian theology. In fact, Jesus warned us about such groups when he said in Matthew 24:24 that in the last days many false Christs and false prophets will arise and deceive many. Mormonism is exactly that, a manifestation of a false prophet: Joseph Smith, who taught all these things.
The Bible does not teach that God came from another planet, or that he has a goddess wife, or that we can become gods. In fact, the Bible clearly and definitely contradicts those teachings. But, the Mormon Church responds by saying that the Bible is not really trustworthy, that the true faith was lost, and that its leader, Joseph Smith, restored the so-called "true" Christian faith: god from another world, becoming gods, goddess mother, etc. Of course, the Mormon Church's claim is not true.
One question to ask the Mormon Church as a whole is why is it that it does not appoint a representative to publicly debate and answer the challenges of competent Christians who know not only the Bible, but what Mormonism teaches? Why is it that the Mormon Church refuses to have open dialogue and appoint a representative who would attempt to defend the LDS teachings from the Bible? Why does it refuse to do this? I believe it is because it doesn't want to be made to look bad.|||Show him this
http://www.jesus-is-savior.com/False%20R…
What the Mormon Missionaries Won't Tell You
Most of us have had a Mormon Missionary knock at our door. If you have ever invited them in and listened to a presentation of their beliefs, you probably found most but not all of what they said very similar to those beliefs held by Christians. However, while trying to convince you that your Church is wrong and the Mormon Church is right, there are several points they intentionally leave out. Below is a list of Mormon beliefs the missionaries will be reluctant to tell you about:
They will be reluctant to tell you that the God they worship was not always God.
"We have imagined and supposed that God was God from all eternity. I will refute that idea, and take away the veil, so that you may see." (Teachings of the Prophet Joseph Smith, pg. 345)
They will be reluctant to tell you that they believe Jesus Christ is the spirit brother of Satan:
"The appointment of Jesus to be the Savior of the world was contested by one of the other sons of God. He was called Lucifer, son of the morning. Haughty, ambitious, and covetous of power and glory, this spirit-brother of Jesus desperately tried to become the Savior of mankind." (Milton R. Hunter, Gospel Through the Ages, pg.15)|||Mormonism is indeed a sect of Christianity.
As in, Mormons are to Christians as golden retrievers are to dogs.|||keep on debating over man made religion, it is all made true through FAITH only. you can not debate and find who is right or wrong.|||They are not going to risk killing their cash cow.
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God is an exalted man...Said about God the Father from the prophet Joseph Smith in a sermon, not doctrine as for planets he was on or obeying another God or keeping the commandments of that God.
As are intelligences at first then spirits, and now in physical mortal bodies. We were never created but evolved. Yes God is our Father of our spirits. Theoism where we can become Gods was taught centuries before Joseph Smith showed up on earth. Look it up. The book of Mormon is testament of Jesus Christ in the americas, it doesn't contradict the bible at all.|||Why doesn't the Church send a representative to debate?
In simple terms: We follow Christ in his example that men might judge us by our works.
Christ didn't debate, He simply reasoned with them, laid out His doctrine then left them to quibble over it. That's what we do in General Conference. Between that and our official scriptures, there is a Godly answer to every question. Below could help your understanding of the Book of Mormon.
I could name 100 reasons more but I won't.
Bottom line: Christ was not sent but unto the lost sheep of the House of Israel. We too are seeking those sheep in time of the final gathering. Why not study all the ways the LDS Church is fulfilling virtually every Bible prophecy in preparation of the 2nd coming and see how they are preparing their people? The scriptures fit them more than 98% of today's fractured Christianity.
Obviously you have friends who likely aren't strong in the church and who don't study scriptures much. Their interests are elsewhere. Those who are knowledgeable don't debate what you present because we have little respect for those who misrepresent our beliefs then gloat when we won't defend their interpretation of same. Basically we can't win when you put God in a box and limit the evidence. I'll venture that when you lay out your argument before the Lord at the last day, He will lay out HIS evidence as is found in our Official Church Doctrines and the debate will be over.
When Nicodemus tried to make light of Christs answer to be Born Again, the Lord didn't use scriptures, He just set him straight and moved on. That's what we do.|||%26gt;%26gt;One question to ask the Mormon Church as a whole is why is it that it does not appoint a representative to publicly debate and answer the challenges of competent Christians who know not only the Bible, but what Mormonism teaches?
Because this accomplishes absolutely nothing. Debates like this happen all the time, and the "winner" is not the one who is "right", but usually the one who is more knowledgeable, right or wrong. In the end, absolutely nothing has been accomplished. Well, OK, maybe the intellectuals out there are happier, but like I said, nothing has been accomplished. No one has really learned anything, no one has changed their opinion, and there has been nothing more than needless contention. And who is the author of contention?|||Dude, the Book of Mormon is another testament of Christ. It goes with the Bible and doesn't replace it.
If you friend can't defend the LDS church, he's the one with the problem, not the church. If you kid can't defend his beliefs maybe he's not a strong member, maybe he should learn more -- you can't hold one kid's lack of knowledge against the church as a whole. You are assuming he was embarrassed about the church and probably read things into his statements.
The LDS church is true %26amp; bashing it like you are is offensive and against community rules.|||Let's keep it simple. Perhaps your friend cannot express what he feels because he needs to do a little more study. Instead of debating and trying to refute his beliefs why not be a true friend and learn to listen. Listen with your heart as well as with your ears and you will learn.
An open mind is first needed before any true learning can occur. In addition, if you have never read the Book of Mormon then you don't have a leg to stand on when you find things wrong with it. Read it with an open mind and pray about what you read and then you will know for yourself without debate.
Knowledge is learned from God first by coming to him humbly and by having a true desire to learn. Their is no other way to find the truth.
Instead of attacking your friends belief examine your own actions as a friend and hopefully as one who is seeking to learn the truth and then you will find it.|||The Book Of Mormon Another Testament Of Jesus Christ is a book about people in America, the New World.
The Bible is about people in and around Israel, in the Old World.
You kind of got that obvious fact confused, and then proceeded to say that Mormons are wrong and that whoever you are representing is right.
That is sort of like saying that 2 + 2 = 4 so therefor 3 + 3 = 6 must therefor not be true.
I don't think much of your arguments, when you get the simplest of facts wrong, right to begin with.
Pardon me, if when you argue that mathematics is wrong... using your same kind of absurd reasoning, that I still remain unconvinced.
The word for the day is logic. Learn it. It can serve you well in life. Rational discourse is a good thing.
I blame what you wrote more on a completely broken public school system more than anything else.
Study logic. I mean that sincerely. There are books on that sort of thing. It will do your mind and future... good.
God bless.|||carm.org is a well-known anti-Mormon site. It publishes half-truths and uses strawman arguments when it comes to the teachings of the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints.
There is no reason to debate any religious question. You either accept what is taught by the religion or you don't. Debate is for theologians who have no connection to God or the Spirit, which provides the truth in a way that no man's logic can equal. To debate a religious question is fruitless and a big waste of time.
Most LDS are smart enough to realize that either their explanation is sufficient or that the person really is interested in just one thing: tearing down their beliefs.
If a person is really interested in what the LDS church teaches, you can find the teacher's (and student's) manuals used in our churches on line at www.lds.org, along with on-line copies of the "standard works", which includes the Bible and the Book of Mormon (No, they are not the same, nor do they pretend to be the same, but they do both testify of the divinity of Jesus Christ and his role as Savior to the entire world.)
A study conducted in the late 1960s or 1970s by the University of Washington in comparitive religion show that the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints followed more of the teachings and practices found in the New Testament than any other Christian denomination included in the study. The Mormons came in at about 96 percent in following the New Testament teachings and practices (which include those taught by Jesus) while the next closest denomination was below 80 percent.
The response, according to the study, would be that it more closely follows Biblical Christianity than any other denomination.|||Holly Bloody Mollie, folks,
Reading into that load of bollocks, (question and answers) Its no bloody wonder 'Religion' and it's many cults, 'christian, Zionists, Islamics' Mormons and assorted weirdo's' have directly resulted in many Wars and genocides across the planet. Any 'mind control technique' particularly those masquerading as a religion are nothing but Cults and dangerous to boot. Fark the lot of them.|||The BOM has a long history of lies surrounding its shady inception. Naturally the promoter of the mormon religion would demean the bible which doesn't say what he wanted it to, in order to promote his own "scriptures" which did, and simply created others when he felt the need. The first law of shoddy salesmanship is demean the competition. As you can tell, it doesn't often work. But nobody ever said Smith was a great salesman either. They like it, and they are the only ones who believe it (okay, well, most of them), so if they prefer to do so, you can't stop them. So... what's the problem?
The greatest thing you can do for your friend is pray that the Lord takes him in hand to lead him to Him, is all. Of course this has gone out of fashion. Not praying. Leaving things in the hands of the Almighty, Everlasting Lord. We don't always HAVE to know the whys of our questions. Not when you truly know God.
Rest assured. Give it up.|||I am LDS and my religion is Christianity. I can defend it right up to the time that people cover their ears and go running away. However, it isn't my desire to drive people away. Nor do I want to belittle other churches. The spirit of God is not a spirit of contention. It allows us to see the beauty in our own beliefs, and in the beliefs of others. We don't blame people for being fooled with sophistry and rhetoric and man-made traditions. Most of us wouldn't be Mormon, if we hadn't received a witness from God that the Book of Mormon was true. No one craves persecution. That doesn't diminish the Bible any more than the Book of John diminishes the Book of Luke. I've been a member of the LDS church for many years. I learned for myself that the promises that were made to me, were true. We have the Holy Ghost. We have the priesthood of God. We have the apostolic authority. We have prophecy and revelation. We have visions, miracles and healings. We have the Christian mysteries. We have the gospel of Jesus Christ in its entirety. Other churches talk about charity, and taking care of widows and orphans and strangers. In the LDS church, we really do it.
BTW, there is plently of strong Biblical evidence for a belief in a premortal spirit world.
http://www.mormonvoice.com/index.php/cou…|||To debate your own beliefs against another persons is disrespectful. One would clearly become angry and defensive if you were to indicate that thing that they fundamentally identify themselves to happens to be wrong. I have had lot of mormons cross my threshold. I have advised them that their beliefs are not my own, but have always listened with fascination and allowed them to tell me about what they see as the essence o who they are.
In my view, if a belief system enables a person to feel they are a good productive citizen and prevents them from undertaking activities that are harmful to others then I don't care what belie system it may be, nothing about it is "wrong".|||You are making many claims about our faith that are either downright not true, or taken out of context and twisted/stated in a way that makes them sound ridiculous. If you were willing to stop going at it with an antagonistic attitude and instead start from the basics and pray and ask God and rely on his Holy Spirit to inform you of the truth, then you might find great blessings of knowledge that you never knew existed. Most people in our Church try not to waste our time with people like you who pile on the dung so high (referring to your method of argument) that you have a hard time swimming in it, let alone not drowning in your filth. If you would ask one honest question at a time (not trying to prove us wrong, but honestly trying to find the truth), then you would get honest answers that make sense. Sorry that your friend doesn't like it when you treat his beliefs and his ideas that he so cherishes less then the garbage in a landfill, but what do you expect him to do?|||If you worship the Jewish zombie, that makes you Christian regardless of which extremity you are.|||It doesn't matter; you are both wrong, god doesn't exist.|||According to Mormons, the ace in their sleeve is them "bearing their testimony" that their church is true. Basically, when they run out of facts they are told to tell others that they know their church is true because god told them it is. Supposedly, whenever a Mormon does that then the other person automatically is at a loss for words and the Mormon wins the argument by default.
That's probably what your friend was trying to do. Many people will get angry when doing this because their so called testimony is based on emotion, not fact. Anger tends to get mixed up in the emotions.|||Not true. Jesus is the ONLY one who came down from heaven. John 8:23.
Also, men/humans/women live ONLY one life and die only once. Hebrews 9:27 The 2nd death is for unpardonable sin. Rev. 20:4-6, 13, 14.
IF Mormons lived before and "died", whenever their fleshly death occurred, they would lose eternal life. Then they would have to live more lives (dying here to be reborn on another planet). It is a variation of the pagan reincarnation junk.
1 Timothy 6:16 shows that only Jesus was given immortality. He was given such AFTER his faithful death as a man and his resurrection. There is NO pre-existence for ANY humans except Jesus. John 8:23 He alone came from the realms above or the spirit world/heaven with God's blessing and permission.
Satan and his demons committed unpardonable sin by forsaking their original dwelling in heaven. Jude 6, 2 Peter 2:4. They are in tartarus or disfellowshipped and alienated from the life belonging to God.
IF Mormons had lived in heaven and come down, they would be devils/demons not Christians. They would have no hope of salvation.
1 Timothy 4 KJV
1Now the Spirit speaketh expressly, that in the latter times some shall depart from the faith, giving heed to seducing spirits, and doctrines of devils;
2Speaking lies in hypocrisy; having their conscience seared with a hot iron;
ANYONE who claims to have lived before in heaven, is actually a devil and is lying to you. They are seducers who are robbing you of eternal life. This would include main line churches though as they also think immortal souls are put into you at birth and were with God up in heaven before your life (except maybe no memories). So it is only a slight variation from Mormon belief to common mainline Christians and the same goes for them too. They did NOT live up in heaven, or anywhere else, prior to life as flesh. They simply did not exist before their conception/birth.
People must get out of such things, separate from falsehood once they know it. Heb. 10:26. Rev. 18:3, 4, 17:2, 5, Micah 4:1-5, Matthew 24:3, 14. Kingdom interests aren't helped by going along with anything.
Though it is true, we can't change the minds of others, can't change whole religions, can't make straight that which is crooked (human governments, science, big business included). That needs a higher power with more pull and might than we sitting down here on earth trapped in this mess could ever have.
You might print this out to show them. Look up the verses in any Bible (KJV is the common one I use, but have and use all I can find out there).
Gen. 3:20 Eve had to become the mother of all living. There were no women or men before her. Same with Adam. He was the first man and Jesus is the last Adam. 1 Cor. 15:45. This also disproves Mormon belief that God used to be a man. That he had a fleshly wife on some other planet or in heaven to have babies with that way. Since Adam was the first man, the first father of fleshly ones (Romans 5:12) and Eve the first mother NO ONE ELSE existed. Hence Jehovah was ALONE in the universe at the start. He had no parent, no wife, no son as yet. Psalms 83:18. Also proof that Jesus' Father is Jehovah and that Jesus is NOT Almighty God also.
Debbie debbiepittman@yahoo.com|||Mormonism is from Satan. Joseph Smith was a pedophile and false prophet. Same with Muhammed.
-Im not against Mormons, but many are following the wrong path and should be educated about it before it's too late.
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